fear not

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in this episode, we chat about fear… how it can come at you in all different ways. we talk about how to be encouraged through it, how to navigate it, how to pursue god to help you through it, and more.
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Transcript

Hope: 0:08

Hello guys, welcome back. I hope you guys had a good week without us Because we did not come out with one last week, but super excited to dive into this week's episode but before we do we wanted to just give a little life updates kind of what's going on with us and Do you want to go first?

Nathan: 0:36

Yeah, you go first, go ahead.

Hope: 0:38

Okay, well, first off, I feel like I always neglect to update like the pregnancy stuff because it's just third baby, you kind of just like don't think about it as much like obviously you're pregnant, but you're not like, you know, constantly thinking about it because of the distractions of the kids and stuff. Other than the pain. Nathan's making a face.

Nathan: 1:01

You've been No,

Hope: 1:03

but I don't update. Yeah, no, complaining.

Nathan: 1:06

No,

Hope: 1:07

no, no. But I'm talking about, like, updating. Like, on Instagram, I don't talk a lot about the pregnancy. Like, that much. And so, that's what I mean. Okay, that makes sense. But with you, you're my safe place. So, when I'm, like, going through it with, like, aches and pains. Uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. You're gonna be the first one that's gonna hear that. Okay, fair enough. Unfortunately. But actually, yeah, I've been thinking about that. Wanna complain less. But that's a whole other thing. We talked about that before, but I've been becoming more aware of it and I want to be better with it and be mindful of it. But yeah, I am 33 weeks and the baby's already head down and that means we're like roughly like less than seven weeks away. So and if the baby comes early it could easily be like a month from now that baby could come.

Nathan: 2:06

So I think the baby's coming early. I think it's gonna come. I know. I thought so if you're 33 weeks 38 weeks full term.

Hope: 2:16

I think you can have the baby at like 30 7 or 38 or something like that. I think you're gonna But 40, technically 40 something is like term.

Nathan: 2:26

But yeah. I think you're gonna have the baby two weeks early. So, March 8th or March 11th, one of the two, is your due date. Yeah. Which they never know how to

Hope: 2:36

pinpoint. I just do March 8th based on the

Nathan: 2:38

ultrasound. So say March 8th. Yeah. Two weeks before March 8th, what does that bring us to? This is, this is my prediction here. Okay. I know Haven was two

Hope: 2:49

weeks early. I

Nathan: 2:50

know my prediction. I just have this weird feeling. So, March 8th. Uh, okay. So the 23rd. No, I don't think it's going to be the 23rd. I have this weird feeling. I have a weird feeling. Somehow the baby's gonna come on the 29th of February.

Hope: 3:07

See, that was my prediction because it's a leap

Nathan: 3:09

year. I have leap year baby that's gonna be like It'd be so unique to have a leap year. Legendary baby. It'd

Hope: 3:15

be cool. It'd be really cool. Everyone's like, Oh, why would you want that? Because then their birthday, they miss their birthday every year. I'm like, of course they don't miss their birthday every year. They just celebrate it

Nathan: 3:24

on a different day. They'll love it when they're old. Yeah, I could just picture my mom right now. My mom would love having that she'd be like, I I'm, not turning 60 for another 60 years Like she would just make jokes like every four years is my birthday. I'm only

Hope: 3:41

Yeah, exactly. You can use it as an excuse. It would be so fun. But yeah, other than pregnancy and all the aches and the pains and stuff that I'm going through with that. Definitely ready to have the baby early. I would, I'd be good with that.

Nathan: 3:58

Yeah, I'd be, I'm, I'm excited. This, it's. I honestly just can't wait for the kids just to experience it with them. Yeah, I know that it's gonna be interesting Sleeping and also like getting on a schedule with the kids and stuff like that, but I'm definitely Definitely pumped for this baby to come I

Hope: 4:20

feel like it's just gonna be sweet to see the kids like care for another thing

Nathan: 4:25

Yeah, and and my update I would say is I I So one job I was, I was working at for a bit there was in St. Catharines, which is close to our house. Um, I found a job in Niagara Falls, which is still close to our house. It's about an extra 15 minute drive. So that job's good and they also have a St. Catharines job. I have two potential jobs really close to home. I've already started the one in Niagara Falls. So I'm, work's good in that sense, being close to home. Trying to get a rhythm on that site. Framing's pretty good, so I can't complain. Um, but yeah, I want to be, like, I think I could find jobs that are maybe a little easier work wise. If I really wanted, but work's kind of weird right now. It's, it's still kind of slow ish. So I think it's just best to stay put, stay close to home. Like the commute is really good. No traffic. I think that's the most important thing. So I think I'm just gonna stay where I'm at, especially being that there is a little baby coming, so. I

Hope: 5:31

know, that's what I've been saying, like as much as like there could be other jobs further away that could potentially even bring in more money or whatever, I just have wanted you to be close because of that baby. Like I truly don't know when the baby's gonna come. And you never know if it's early, or during the day, or at night, so it's like, you definitely want

Nathan: 5:50

And so far, so good. Like, this company, I haven't worked for this company before, but they seem pretty good. They seem pretty legit, so, so far, so good. I can't complain. They seem pretty, they seem like, they just, yeah, they seem like they do the right thing, so. That's good. I just book what I need and that's it. It's good, so. Nice.

Hope: 6:10

Yeah. And Hayvee is still doing her potty training. Yes. She's doing amazing. That's another little update.

Nathan: 6:18

She literally does not let me not know that she went on the potty. As soon as you come in the door. So Hope calls me, Daddy, I pooped! Or, I peed, I peed as soon as I walked through the door. Daddy, I peed. Daddy, I pooped. I peed. She just has to, She just has to announce it. Announce it. It's really funny. It's just sweet. She's really cute. I think she just wants the encouragement. Running around in her underwear all day. I know. Yeah. She just so no point of putting pants on her because if she does have an accident you won't have to clean the two pants

Hope: 6:47

Right. Yeah, you just change out the undies and away you go. That's

Nathan: 6:50

that's definitely fun But with Tobiah, we've been going through something really really odd with him lately And that's part of the reason why we weren't able to record last week. Yeah

Hope: 7:05

Probably one of the main reasons. It's yeah main reason very draining and very he

Nathan: 7:10

doesn't Doesn't want

Hope: 7:14

to sleep in his

Nathan: 7:15

bed. He doesn't he doesn't want to sleep in his bed in his room he doesn't like he has some sort of We believe we believe like he's just really like fearful fearful and scared To be in his room To be in his room and even just be alone in the house. It's really weird Yeah,

Hope: 7:34

and he never was like that before no never I would send him i'd be like to buy Do you mind grabbing haven a pair of socks before we get out the door? And he would go upstairs and grab them come back and be totally fine now He's like come with me.

Nathan: 7:46

Come. Yeah, like I was in my our rooms are So all our rooms are all on one floor as a townhouse and I He, he wanted to jump in the shower with me. So I was like, okay, whatever. Have, let's have a shower, had a shower. And then I was like, buddy, go, go get your jammies. Go get your jammies picked out. I'm putting mine on. Go get your jammies. He wouldn't even go to his room by himself. Like, and I'm like, I'm daddy's right behind you. Like I'm right here. I'm watching you just go grab your stuff. He just doesn't want to be alone at all. It's, it's very odd. It's very frustrating, very sad. And then he also wakes up at like. 5 in the morning or, uh, 3 in the morning every day. And he, like, I don't know what time he came in our room last night. It was probably like 3 or something. I think it was earlier this time. It was pretty early. Yeah. And I just woke up beside him in my bed, cause he just comes in the middle, I guess he wakes up once. And then he's like, oh, I'm gonna go sleep with mommy and daddy. And then he just comes to sleep with us. Which is like, Not the end of the world, but it's also like, we can't have this ha like, we can't have him sleeping with us when baby comes. It's gonna just be a little much. Or even just

Hope: 8:48

like, the habit of it as he gets older, you know? Like, he has to learn that his room is safe, and that we are safe in our home. And, you know, like, he needs to overcome it, but it's a tough thing because I mean, I can obviously relate. I mean, Nathan and I have talked about this, but like I've had, um, fear and stuff growing up even as well. So, kind of what he's going through, I almost can like understand. So I have a little bit of more, just like, yeah, love and understanding

Nathan: 9:21

for him. Like, scared fear. So this is like, this is the fear that we're kind of talking about, is scared fear, like Like obviously well our topic today is fear. We want to talk about fear, but there's multiple different types of fear There's fear of being scared like of something of something or someone and there's fear of Man of man There's so many like I feel like fear just connects to so many different things Oh, yeah, cuz you could be fear fear of speaking in front of people like speaking in front of a crowd Fear of certain animals or spiders or spiders Yeah, certain animals like there's there's multiple different types of fear out there and stuff Fear anxiety and stuff. Yeah. Yeah So yeah, so this is a topic that like it's been on our hearts We've been we've been discussing and thinking that it would be a good thing to to kind of bring up Also fear man was one of them But yeah fear man fear man is probably as a Christian I think that's that's one of the that's one of the big ones for sure Like, we're scared, we're not scared, but like, it's like that, your life is different. So you have this world of like, do whatever you want, live for yourself, just the world. Like, you just turn on the TV, you turn on Hollywood, you turn on whatever it is, and that's the world. And then as a Christian, you say no to certain things because we believe that that's what God wants us to do. Um, that's the world. Like he has, he has, he has a better way for us to live. And it makes sense to us. We believe it. We, we've, we've, we've did, like, we've learned, like, as a Christian, we've learned to follow Jesus's life. And we've, we've seen it. We read the word. We, we talk about it. And we see how Jesus lived. And we believe that that's the way to live. And so, but the world doesn't see that. They don't see Jesus. They just see religion and they see all the, the problems with the church and blah, blah, blah. So. With fear of man, is you're, you're sometimes, you're quick, you're, you're scared to share your faith, Because you're afraid what people are going to think. Oh, look at this Christian. Oh, he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to do this, doesn't want to do that. Oh, he's just this religious, you know, person. And that's, that's like a fear that people have and we struggle with sometimes as Christians to speak out. Which I don't even think you really need to speak out as a Christian. I think that the biggest thing as a Christian to do is to Show your life and show your life like Jesus and then because just like how we want to be like Jesus and strive to be like Jesus if you show a life like that, then you'll want it. You'll be like, Oh my gosh, what's different about you guys? Why? Why? Why do you guys? Why are you guys like? Slow to speak, why, like, why are you, uh, Carry that light. Carry that light. Why are you not so angry? Why are you not complaining all the time? Why are you not miserable like everyone else is? Or, like, why are you different? And then you could be like, well, because I'm trying to be like Jesus. I'm trying to live a life like Jesus, and He was He was perfect, but I know I'm not perfect, but we're, we're, we're trying to, to be like him in every way and use the wisdom that he had, you know, to love others and to not judge others, but to, to love people through their stuff and just, if you really, who I believe Jesus to be, it's just, it's someone that's soup, like is, um, how do I say it? Like unconditional love. It's true. Unconditional love. And, um, I think, yeah, I just, I, I think that, fear is just one of those things that, uh, gets in the way. I

Hope: 13:30

feel like with fear of man, it's just like fear of what people think in general. I don't, it's not necessarily just like the Christian aspect of it. It's like people have the fear of man, which is why they can't stand in front of a crowd and, and, and talk. Yeah. You know like those things scare you and that was me as a kid and me through high school. I would literally like figure out any way I could to get out of a presentation or a project or something that would involve me to stand in front of a crowd because I absolutely could not handle that and it is still something like stretching for me. To do that, which obviously I don't really have to do that that much. Yeah, I can talk on stories and stuff like that, but it's not the exact same thing of like standing in front of a physical crowd or whatever. But like, yeah, that, that fear comes in, um, cause you're worried about what those people think of you. Yeah. Instead of getting your affirmation from like Jesus and knowing that like, no matter what. you know, happens. At the end of the day, God is the one who has the final say of what he thinks of you, and that's all that should matter, it shouldn't matter what so and so thinks of you, it should only be what God thinks of you, and I think that that's something that I've been learning over the years, and something that I did learn a lot about, actually, when I went to school ministry, was how I did, I've been impacted by fear of man, and I was trying to like, break through it, and I still, Not there, but it's something I've struggled with like my entire life.

Nathan: 15:06

Yeah. Yeah, I think there's Yeah, there's this always natural fear of just like what do people think about me? Who am I to them? I I mean I still kind of I think my what I struggle with sometimes is Like people pleasing a little bit, especially at work and whatnot I just feel like I have to go to my way for some people, and I feel like people could take advantage of me sometimes in that way. Yeah. I can't stand that. Yeah. It's, it's just, it's, it's like you want everyone to love you, but it's not your job to force people to love you and to try to be this super loving person. I mean,

Hope: 15:48

you, you have to be okay with knowing that not

Nathan: 15:50

everybody's going to love you. Yeah. Have to be, yeah. You have to be okay with people just because it's.

Hope: 15:54

Just you're not like there's no possible way that every single person on this earth or every single person on your Social media is gonna like just love you. Yeah, it's just not the reality of life And that's okay because at the end of the day it is what god thinks of you That defines who you are and it shouldn't matter like other people. Yeah, it's important that you like, you know Still care in some aspects that like you're not gonna do anything. That's gonna hurt anybody. But um, yeah It's just like you're not gonna go like out of your ways to people Please for example, so that you're getting all those like needs met and then you're sacrificing yourself Yeah, giving too much of yourself. Yeah, people people pleasing specifically, so

Nathan: 16:42

But what would you say your biggest fear is like your absolute biggest fear? I know what my biggest fear is

Hope: 16:51

Probably fear man for me. Yeah, because if I can go into it, yeah, okay. Um, I feel like God actually okay So that I believe the enemy attacks the very thing that you're called to And it makes sense. He wants to hinder us. He wants to, like, not have us walk in the path that God has called us to. So he's gonna, you know, torment you in that way, unfortunately. And I feel like that's where I've been attacked, is with Fear Man, because I still believe, and for those who don't know, I always felt that I was supposed to do worship. Um, I don't know necessarily like worship leading maybe or whatever that is, but I still have this desire in my heart I've had it since I was really young and I still let things get in the way of me Walking that out and I believe because of fear man. I'm so scared to share my voice or share um that part of me because Yeah, the enemy's just oh, you're not good enough Oh people are gonna think you're horrible That's the stuff that will, like, go through my mind, so then I'm, like, kind of believing

Nathan: 18:05

those lies. When worship's not even, when worship's not even about Yeah, it's not even about you. It's not even about performance or Yeah, it's about actually just worshiping God and bringing

Hope: 18:13

people into like that place of Jesus and Holy Spirit and stuff. So yeah, it is. It's totally like that's so valid and that's why it's still something I'm on a journey with and obviously, you know that about me, um, and Then there's all these other things that have gotten in the way like having kids and not being able to Do certain things to get into the place of worship at a church. But yeah, I would say that's probably my biggest and then I have another but you can share

Nathan: 18:43

yours first my my biggest fear, would probably be my ultimate fear, I guess, as becoming a dad, is that my kids don't, don't know Jesus one day. Yeah, that's definitely, a, a big one. It's a, it's a big one and it's really hard because it's, I feel like, I feel like as a, as a dad, like, like, I want my kids to just know his love. And, I, and I genuinely feel,

Hope: 19:12

Well, you just don't want them to walk this life without him, too.

Nathan: 19:14

Yeah, like, I, I just think, yeah. Like, it would be so hard for them. Like, I just think, yeah, I think that life without Jesus is, is, is, Hell on earth. No, literally, like, Like, literally, you've said that before. It's, it, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense to me, um, Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me and I feel like I feel like if their identity is wrapped up in who jesus see if they Could see what how jesus sees them. Yeah, then they're gonna then they're gonna walk this life out Like especially my daughters like they're not gonna haven't already so beautiful like she's so beautiful and and She's she's not gonna settle for some guy. She's not gonna she's gonna know who she is And I want to be able to as a father I want to be able to not just be Nathan Robertson, the, the human, but like, just to be like Jesus and to show them who Jesus was and, and to be that, that in their life so that they could, you know, and even with my Tobiah too, even with my son, I want him to be, to be an honorable boy. I want him to, to, to, to stick up for the weak, um, to, to, you know. Like, like, like if kids are getting bullied in school, like I want him to be the kid that's just like, Hey, that's not nice and goes and hangs out with like the kids that are, you know, are a little awkward and weird or whatever. Like, like the kids that don't really have friends. Like I want my kids to, to, to, to be a difference, to be a difference in the world. And I think Yeah, I think my biggest fear and and and is is is me not showing them in that enough not in a religious Aspect or a religious way, but like if I could be like we were saying in another podcast about being lukewarm You know, this is the same kind of kind of thing It's just like if I if I'm super lukewarm as a as a As a Christian dad trying to raise my kids to be like Christ, then what are they gonna see? Right. True. And they're gonna see this kind of like half in, half in and half out kind of guy. Mm-Hmm. And I want to be a full in kind of guy and show my kids who Jesus is so that they could, they could know who they are and that they could live that life. Like be on that path. Like we keep saying, talking about being on that path. And I agree too. They could and they could be on that path. And so. Yeah, and then also like you have your other fears like we've all we've bring it up Probably the last few podcasts is money monies of fears. It's like is it ever gonna stop? Is it ever gonna be enough as a provider of the house? Am I ever gonna are we ever gonna get a break? So there's those fears too. Are we ever going to be able to, you know, afford a house or, um, yeah. So just like there's, oh, and then, and then there's also like, cause if you turn on the news and hear how harsh it is, there's these fears. Oh, is there going to be another world war three? Is there going to be, uh, you know, this, that, and the other. And it's just like, There's, there's constant fears as a, especially as a, as a, as a father and a leader of a household. I'm like, man, how, how am I going to protect my family? Like, how, like, you know what I mean? And I'm not trying to be all in that conspiracy crap and think all this stuff, but you don't know actually what tomorrow holds. Yeah. And only God knows. But God doesn't want us to fear. And

Hope: 22:31

he constantly. I was going to say that. He literally says, do not fear. Yeah. Tomorrow. And like, do not worry about

Nathan: 22:38

tomorrow. Yeah. For tomorrow has. What is it? Do not worry for tomorrow, tomorrow has enough of its own or something. And then it says, the birds don't, the birds and animals don't. Soap and barns and, yeah, I don't know the exact verse but. They're basically saying, like, the animals and no one else worries, why do you, you know, it just talks about worrying, and, and, and, Which goes the other hand. Yeah, your heavenly father, yeah, your heavenly father takes care, care of them. Yep. So why do, why do we worry, right? So, worry will not gain another, even another minute of your life or something like that. By worrying so worry, I think worrying and fear is kind of like it's tied in together, right? Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Definitely. So yeah, I just yeah, I want to break off fear. Um, I think that there always will be an aspect of fear Um, like that comes that comes your way like there's always a good gonna be yeah There's always gonna be something that comes towards you. Um with fear, especially in the head when you're thinking thoughts and stuff like that I can relate to that for sure. I think I think That's something you always have to kind of you have to yeah and

Hope: 23:56

wrestle with I guess yeah And if I can share some like tips or like things that like it's you Yeah, like that has helped me because for me my specific fear also is not just fear a man But it's also been fear. Like I said before about Tobiah and myself as a kid even to this day. I still have fear At times when I hear certain things, going to sleep, um, I'm actually at a point where I cannot handle Nathan being somewhere else, um, Like as in not in the house with me and the kids or whatever and I'm alone in the home Like I I just go down a rabbit hole of like horrible thoughts of thinking like the worst case scenario will happen to me and Obviously, it's not true These are just like thoughts that go through my mind But I still like feel tormented by those thoughts that I can't fight them off enough And I still have fear even when Nathan is home. So that's why I'm like still working

Nathan: 24:56

through that. She's like, did you make sure the door's locked? Is the door locked?

Hope: 24:59

I feel like I've been a little bit better about the door. Like lately I've been like thinking, you know what? I'm actually been pretty good. Like I don't even always check. Like you used to always check every single night and make sure. And some nights I like

Nathan: 25:10

forget. But if I would have, if I was to say something like, yeah, I don't know if I locked the door. You'd be like, I gotta go down and check, like I'm not going to bed until I know for sure now. Yeah,

Hope: 25:19

and then I'm like already in bed and I'm literally like so like fearful and literally going to the door to make sure that the door is locked like it's just like I need to trust that God is gonna obviously cover our home and protect us and I believe for that I pray for that all of the time and that's something obviously I'm praying with Tobiah as well is like just obviously speaking truth over him like all the things that I've done and so It's kind of like a full circle moment for me in a way because I'm like, I'm literally Implementing things on my son that I've had to talk myself through and like the the things that I've learned from school of ministry When I was there gave me these like tools in order to like fight these things and I believe it's truly helped my life so Incredibly because I know how to hear God's voice and know that he can comfort me and be like it's oh, it's okay Like your house is safe. Like nothing's gonna happen. Like I'll hear those words and it's reassuring to me I'm like, I hear God like he's talking to me He's telling me like it's going to be okay, like you can go to sleep stuff like that Um, but like something I still have to do to this day is like when we moved into our home we have very large windows on the main floor in our bedroom and we're close to like cars and people with their Like next door neighbors closing trunks and stuff like that And when we first moved in I could barely sleep because I kept hearing car doors and people talking outside the window and like all of these things And even though they're not scary necessarily it was Making me think things and then I would be like not able to sleep properly or fall asleep Like once I'm asleep, I'm fine So then it was just like a struggle for me and I eventually figured out I'm like, well I could get a sound maker at least Kind of like what the kids use like literally the same as what the kids use and Nathan's had to like deal with this with me Having a sound maker in our bed, but it does help Because then my, my mind

Nathan: 27:16

doesn't go elsewhere. Now I'm frickin used to that thing. I know. I try to keep it a little more quiet now. There was one night she was out and I was, you were at my parents cause I was going away the next, early the next morning. Yeah. For a hunting trip. And I slept in the house alone. And I was like, I can't fall asleep. She took the SoundMaker. So I literally turned on a speaker with like a homemade SoundMaker. Cause I couldn't sleep. I'm now used to SoundMakers. The HomePod, the HomePod. The HomePod, yeah. And so, yeah, it's kind of funny how that

Hope: 27:46

works. Yeah, and actually before I had a sound maker when I was like on my own in my parents home I used to play ocean waves Just remember that so like I've always had something kind of like white noise or some kind of noise that's or like just something really calming like in the background that my mind wouldn't wander to like a creek or like a door or Whatever because then I start thinking things and I'm like, why do I go down to this like? This way of thinking, like, it's horrible. So anyways, I've been dealing with that pretty much my whole life. But thankfully, I know that I can pray first off. Pray over my sleep, pray that God would be with me, remind me of, like, the truth and bring me peace ultimately. And then obviously hear his voice, reminding me that everything's gonna be okay. And then also there's an aspect of trust. And just like trusting in him that he actually cares and he actually is going to protect me and my family because then sometimes I still have thoughts of the kids in the night and then I'm like, I gotta check the camera in like the middle of the night. It's just like stupid thoughts. Yeah. You know? And, you know, they're always okay, but That's

Nathan: 29:04

where you have to have faith too with like this whole fear stuff cause like You could think of that like I even think about the kids when like Tobiah when he's at school alone I know and we don't see him That was a big thing sending like it's like you have to just you have to have faith in so much different things cuz we Can't bubble wrap our children Especially as they get older, like when they get, when they get, they get to drive and they're gonna be on their own.

Hope: 29:28

I'm, I'm already

Nathan: 29:29

like that. That's even a fear right now, like even just the thought of it, the thought of like my kids having to make their own choices at a young age, like if they, they go to a party. Because even if they tell us they're not, they like, I don't, I'm really hoping don't speak my kids would ever lie to me, but let's be realistic, like. Kids will be kids you never know and so they go to a party and it like is there gonna be drugs? Is there gonna be something like they talk now all about this vet? No I mean, this is a long time from from now for my kids because they're so little but it's like it's it's it's fearful things man like and our kids too like They could run across the street like it's gosh. That's like the number one It's like it's like these constant like things where it's just like man you actually can't control everything like you have to almost like take a step back and be like Yeah, you know what? Like a lot of our life most of our life is in god's hands and we can't control we don't know anything like we We can't predict how anything's going to go in our lives, which is kind of hard, but it's just like kind of crazy too when you really think about it. Because like, God knows. God's the only one that knows what tomorrow holds for us, right? And every day is a blessing. Like, every day really is a blessing. Every day you wake up breathing. Every day you wake up breathing, exactly. It's a blessing. Every day your kids are safe and sound. And

Hope: 30:48

for your health and for who you are and yourself, you know, driving in the car, like

Nathan: 30:53

anything. Yeah, like we, we're, we're going to always go through stuff. Like seasons are always going to change. It's crazy as we're sitting here, these, there's these screensavers and it was just showing like a snowy season. Now it's showing like a fall y season and it's just like fall y season, fall y season. And it's, and it, and that's life, like. That's life like sometimes you have fall and sometimes you have snow and sometimes you have spring and summer and You know, but fear yeah fear fear is something that we're always gonna have to wrestle with in a sense but but there is There is a, there is God and he is there for us. And, um, there is a way to work through fear. You don't have to live in fear. Yeah. You definitely don't have to live in fear, but there's healthy fear. I think we are supposed to fear God. Oh

Hope: 31:46

yeah. I was gonna say, where

Nathan: 31:47

are you going with this first, first and foremost, like. Anything, if anything in this world, you're supposed to fear, it is him. Because, you can think of all those little scary nights you have, these scary thoughts you have, everything you have. You know that he is bigger. He is the creator of everything. The heavens and the earth. He has already crushed in Satan. Satan's got nothing on him. He, he, he took care of him on the cross. Um, and And so that's what we have to really live in is it's like actually, you know what I'm not gonna fear fear the enemy I'm not gonna fear what he could do to my life. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna fear God And that's what it really comes down to we got it. We gotta we gotta we gotta put ourselves at a job expectation I've been reading job lately and That guy's life is absolutely insane what he went through And he was faithful to God. Like, I just suggest anyone listening to this, just go and just listen. Just, I've been listening to it. I like to listen to the Bible. And I'm just hearing about Job's life. Like his, he was, Okay, so let's think of someone super rich and famous. He was rich, famous, had tons of children, all this stuff. His children were taken away from him. He lost his children. For me, I don't care what you do to me. You could put me through any physical trial anything, but don't touch my children like that's the hardest thing for me like I Physically know that I could I could bear pain over over something with my children Yes, but he lost his children and then he went through pain. He went through his body sores He had things like absolutely insane and And yet he stayed faithful to God and that's the kind of faith man where it's just like It's like how his wife told him to curse God and die his wife told him to do that Wow after he lost everything and he was rich. He was rich in the sense of like he owned Uh a bunch of like he was like a farmer kind of thing and he owned back then rich was like Rich was like owning like 40 goats or not 40 goats like 400 goats 40 goats. Yeah You know what? I mean? So That's funny. He, like, it's pretty insane when you read, when you read Job, and you're like, holy smokes. And this was before Christ. This was Old Testament. Like, it's pretty wild how much faith this guy is. And he said, I'm gonna leave this earth the way I came. No. Yeah, I'm gonna leave this earth the way I came. Naked and with nothing. Wow. Like, it's just like, Cuz we do I came in this earth without children without you without everything. Mm hmm. So it's just like just an encouragement It's like that's a good thing about the Bible and stuff like that and these people's life is it's like Job's life It's an encouragement like it is like you can make it through all you can make it through that I can make through his children all dying Like, come on, what else can you make it through? So, but I still don't even want to, I still don't even want to recognize those, those ideas or thoughts. Like, yeah, that's scary. Children are everything to me. So, yeah, of

Hope: 34:53

course I have this one thing I wanted to bring up. That's why I'm like, Oh, go ahead. Cause we were talking about how we have to like, to, to go through having fear, we have to trust in the Lord. And when we were preparing for this podcast. Because we've had some time to think about it. We were speaking on, the part of the Bible when Peter or when Jesus is walking on water and, he's telling Peter to Follow him or like be with him and walk on water with him. Yeah, and then he was getting distracted by the wind or Something was picking up something was scaring him, right?

Nathan: 35:34

Yeah, and every time he took his eyes off of God. He started to

Hope: 35:37

sink. Yes, so That's okay. So yeah, it just was like It just reminded me of, yeah, like, the more we choose to trust in him and walk with him and keep our eyes on Jesus, like, he's gonna carry us through, too, which is super cool how, like, I just think that story is just really impactful, to be honest. And so, I just thought it would be something to share because He was only able to walk on water when he was looking at Jesus and focusing on him. Oh, yeah, when he's fully focused on him. Fully

Nathan: 36:13

trusting him. Yeah, and I think that's where like what I was mentioning earlier is Yeah, like like if we could fear God like fear Jesus like fear like we got to put our fear like we got to almost transport our fear from You know, like, these things, because at the end of the day, the only thing, like, we're fearing is on Earth, right? We're not fearing hell. We're not fearing, so, so, we're only, because we're, we're experiencing life on Earth, right? And so, I think that that's, that's the thing where it's kind of hard to comprehend and be like, Oh my gosh, like, we actually gotta live for God. Okay, like, we have a relationship, we're in a relationship, I could fear you cheating on me or something like that, and you vice versa could fear that, uh, of me, and I obviously, the repercussions of, of me doing something to hurt our relationship, I fear that, like, I, like, I think, I think one of the things that actually helps me so much with not not wanting not I wouldn't say wanting but not going to pornography and to going through these things Is because I genuinely fear hurting your your feelings because I love you and I respect you as my wife Yeah that I don't want you to feel That you're not enough. I don't want you to feel Especially when we have, Intimacy. Intimacy. That you, you don't have to think twice. And I don't have to, even also for myself, I don't have to Think of these other people. So, yeah, it really helps, it really helps to, to have that fear. Even in, like, that's like a healthy fear again too. It's just like, I Don't I fear of hurting your heart. I fear of also, it's also hurting me. Yeah, so definitely hurts I think I think and that's the same with God It's just like we want him to we want to fear him in the sense of being like hey It actually doesn't help us when we we go against him. Yeah, so in relationship, there's, there's a healthy fear because we don't wanna hurt, don't, we don't wanna hurt God. it's also like this is the greatest thing about re, re relationship, especially with God is, is. In any relationship, like you, and, and, and, let's talk about turning away from, I know this is kind of going off the rails here a little bit, but turning away from sin, it's just like, I don't, like, in a relationship, okay, could you imagine if we were in a relationship and I constantly came to you and was like, I did something, like, I've made a lot of mistakes in our marriage, obviously, I've made, like, mistakes, like, I'm not perfect, but if I constantly, always, every single day made the same mistake, like, You would be like enough's enough. Okay, like what are you gonna learn kind of figure it out get it together Like I have zero trust for you Like you couldn't put up with it and that's the same with our relationship with God in a sense It's like we got to actually fear him like that. Like yeah, it ain't good. He does and that's where it comes back Does it see us that way, but it's and stuff like that. It's just You have to make changes in your life. You have to live for him. You have to, you have to fear him. You have to be like, oh my gosh, like it's, it's way scarier to, to live for yourself than to live for him. True. You know? Totally. So I just want to pray for us. Holy Spirit, I just, I pray that you're With us, as we speak about this fear, God, this fear stuff, and whoever's listening to this, I just break off the fear in their life, whatever is holding them back, whatever is, is, is holding them back from what you have for them, God, and the enemy trying to get in the way by. By bringing up something that's fearful for them in their lives, God. I just break it off in the name of Jesus. And I just pray that the only fear that we'll have is, is fear of you, God. Fear of you in a healthy way. Fear of, fear of knowing, of knowing you. Fear of like, not knowing you. Fear of not wanting you in, in our lives, Jesus. Yes. Um. And I just, I just pray that wherever anyone's at right now, God, you highlight, you highlight the thing that they're afraid of and sometimes fear you don't know what it is, God. Sometimes you don't see exactly what, what's this? What's this? What's this? And you're, you're subconsciously held back on something because you're fear, just like hope in her worship, God, that, that you will just, you'll pay the way for these These people to, to do your work, father. And, uh, yeah, I just break off fear, fear of finance, finances, fear of, uh, I'm not enough, fear of, I'm not going to be good enough. I'm not, I, my, my. Just just fear of of not being feeling like you could be loved Um, whatever it looks like and and and also like physical fear and scary Scary fear we just break that off in the name of jesus if anyone's is is is struggling with being scared and Just like my little son that's that's kind of struggling with that God. I just break it off in the name of Jesus that Tobiah will sleep, and he'll have good dreams and yeah, yeah, Father, we just, we just pray, pray that that fear will will not even be a place for, for, for us anymore. In Jesus mighty name we pray. Amen. That was so good.

Hope: 41:52

I just want to say I love when you pray. Hopefully everyone else can agree, but I've always told Nathan, I'm like, I just love when you pray. There's just so much like, I don't know, realness and passion behind his praying. So I love it. I'm always like, yeah! Going along with it. But yeah, I, uh, I'm really glad we were able to speak on this because it's something that maybe isn't talked about enough or, Yeah, just brought up enough. Like, I know we talk about it in church and blah, blah, blah, but like, day to day, not everyone's going to talk about their fears. Yeah. Or feel safe enough to talk about their fears with some people, maybe. So hopefully this is like a safe place for you to be like, oh, like, I actually feel like I relate to this specific thing that they're talking about. So I just, I think that. It's just really good to talk about it and it's really important and, yeah, I just really hope that it can impact, at least one person. That's our heart behind this. So, yeah, I just want to thank you guys so much, as always, for listening, for being, alongside with us in our journey of podcasting and growing and learning as we go. With me editing it completely myself, with us Sitting down and doing this every week, despite having kids and, and Nathan working full time and me working with the kids or having the kids all the time. It has its challenges for sure and trying to make it work but like we still really feel in our hearts to keep going and it's not always easy but we are going to keep going. So yeah, thanks guys and we'll see you guys in the next one. Peace!